Surely it is now now time to change lounge access rules

[amaroo]

81 posts - best funny thread I've seen this year

Imagine how crowded the lounges would have been if the pilots were successful with their pitch to gain Flounge access for themselves & their family.

I've seen the inside of a few First only lounges......the overwhelming mood is one stop short of a morgue IMO

 

[Warks]

Was a little disappointed the only time I was able to take the family to the F SYD lounge that we couldn't get a restaurant seat. As a 'scumbag' WP I'd enjoyed it a couple of times before but this was my last chance before going back to SG. I asked at the counter about getting a meal and they said I could be served in the comfy chairs and gave me a menu. When I tried ordering from that menu I was abruptly told that I couldn't order from THAT menu when sitting in these seats!

This was the first day of the last school hols so no wonder it was full.

I think this thread is worthy of the First World Problems website though!

 

[TonyHancock]

I think this thread is worthy of the First World Problems website though!

Absolutely......hang on a minute......doesn't the whole AFF site fall into that category!!

 

[Sequel]

The time has come to get these first class lounges back to what they say they are, for First Class passengers, CL and P1 only.

Cake and eat it too? If it is going to be a first class only lounge, then that is what it should be, not for people who fly a lot, not even 3,600 SC'c a lot!


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[harvyk]

Cake and eat it too? If it is going to be a first class only lounge, then that is what it should be, not for people who fly a lot, not even 3,600 SC'c a lot!


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Yes I wonder what the OP's response would be if the FLounge turned into a true First Class Lounge and the OP was relegated out into the JLounge or main terminal? I wonder if they would also feel the same if they did kick WP's out and then they themselves dropped down to WP level. Me thinks the OP would be back on here in a flash complaining about QF "enhancing" access.

 

[medhead]

I think the OP has made some valid points that have been misinterpreted.

They may have made some valid points, however they have also presented very poor evidence to support those points. Notwithstanding other airports being mentioned, the question posed starts with "now" and moves on to SIN.

Sure I can see it is valid to say first class pax only. But that is valid at all times not just now because of the situation at SIN. It is also important to ask why include CL and Pone in the proposal. Why not a true First class only lounge? Because the OP does not fly first class? If so, that opens up valid criticism for their proposal.


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[amaroo]

Yes I wonder what the OP's response would be if the FLounge turned into a true First Class Lounge and the OP was relegated out into the JLounge or main terminal? I wonder if they would also feel the same if they did kick WP's out and then they themselves dropped down to WP level. Me thinks the OP would be back on here in a flash complaining about QF "enhancing" access.

Yeah, that would be funny

Dead set - first class & Qantas don't really go together.....how many F seats are there ex-SYD? Answer - not that many.....BA guests would account for around 1/3 of the lounge!

Providing access to CL's - most probably result in a high number of people entering the lounge that are flying other airlines in whY.

 

[Isochronous]

And then the numbers would dwindle, so QF would then shut it because so few people used it. This way the Flounge is contributing to QF profits - it is an amazing marketing tool. If demand has risen, then expand the lounge!

 

[eosphoros]

Now to repeat myself... My proposal is to create a " true " first lounge, access restricted to passengers in F, CL and P1.

No. A "true" first lounge would only allow first passengers with paid tickets.

 

[beardoc]

Airline Business Magazine - September 2012 (pages 28 & 29) has the following alliance data.

2011 Market Share
Star Alliance - 24.8%
SkyTeam - 19.6%
oneworld - 15.1%

2011 Revenue
Star Alliance - $201.8bn
SkyTeam - $137.1bn
oneworld - $106.6bn

2011 NET PROFIT
Star Alliance - $2bn
SkyTeam - $1.6bn
oneworld - $1.9bn

So holistically for the carriers in each alliance, oneworld has, from a significantly lower market share than Star or Sky, and a significantly lower revenue base than Star or Sky, managed to make almost as much net profit at Star and more than Sky.

If we look at the value of net profit as a percentage of revenue, then oneworld becomes (by far) the most superior performing alliance.

Net Profit as a percentage of Revenue
oneworld – 1.78%
SkyTeam – 1.16%
Star Alliance – 0.99%


I would posit that the uniqueness of the "oneworld Emerald" proposition, as part of the overall alliance offer, helps position oneworld airlines to enable them to successfully target high value, frequent business class travellers, and produce the most successful return (based on revenue) of any alliance.

Emerald proposition ~ treat your alliance-wide frequent business class customers, to all bells and whistles of "first class", whilst they’re on the ground.

This is one of the most fascinating posts of the thread. Thank you for this data.

 

[burmans]

I think it is entirely appropriate to question the legitimacy of status levels created from the double SC offers. Yes the rules are created by QF but it doesn't make them right. Why shouldn't the OP have an opinion on the rules?

This sort of opinion always troubles me. Of course the OP is entitled to his opinion and to post it, but equally those who thinks that such opinions are a load of sh*te are entitled to hold and post theirs. Seems to me that's exactly what has happened here. Free speech doesn't give you any right to expect that people will attached any value to your opinions.

 

[Robert K]

yes, you are very very special. They should have a room just for you.

 

[harvyk]

I think it is entirely appropriate to question the legitimacy of status levels created from the double SC offers. Yes the rules are created by QF but it doesn't make them right. Why shouldn't the OP have an opinion on the rules?

and why shouldn't people who don't agree with the OP's opinion be able to question that opinion in an open public forum?

 

[Kangol]

I asked at the counter about getting a meal and they said I could be served in the comfy chairs and gave me a menu. When I tried ordering from that menu I was abruptly told that I couldn't order from THAT menu when sitting in these seats!

What was on the menu that you were allowed to order from? Interesting, because it would likely be either a condensed version of the standard menu, a completely different menu (which wouldn't make sense) or just what was on the self serve area...

 

[tuapekastar]

Was a little disappointed the only time I was able to take the family to the F SYD lounge that we couldn't get a restaurant seat. As a 'scumbag' WP I'd enjoyed it a couple of times before but this was my last chance before going back to SG. I asked at the counter about getting a meal and they said I could be served in the comfy chairs and gave me a menu. When I tried ordering from that menu I was abruptly told that I couldn't order from THAT menu when sitting in these seats!

This was the first day of the last school hols so no wonder it was full.

I think this thread is worthy of the First World Problems website though!

That's disappointing and contrary to what I thought (I've never actually sat at a 'comfy' spot and ordered, though my conversations with the staff have led me to believe it was possible). Failure if it is a normal thing (and failure also if it was abnormal and you just got shafted).

 

[yohy?!]

And the trolls come in to play.....

Actually I think they've been here since post #1

 

[JohnK]

Much as I do enjoy the F lounge when I'm travelling in J, I do think F class pax should have somewhere that is just for them.

And yes, I know this is not a popular view on this forum!

Popular view or not I think you are right.

I would rename the current First Lounges to Platinum Lounges and create a "true" First Class Lounge for First Class Passengers and I would make it roughly the size of the First Lounge in BNE . I would also include Chairmans Lounge and Platinum One in this new lounge.

This way First Class customers can feel special that Platinums are no longer in the same lounge as them.

And I am not joking but I truly believe the size of the lounges should be Business Lounge the biggest followed by Platinum Lounge and then First Class Lounge to reflect the number of passengers likely to visit at any point in time.

 

[TonyHancock]

and why should people who don't agree with the OP's opinion be able to question that opinion in an open public forum?

Really :?: Can I suggest you reread your post and presumably correct accordingly?

Assuming you do believe that everyone has a right to an opinion, when you also reread my post you will see, by my careful choice of words, we are on the same page. I was only questioning why the OP should not offer an opinion.

It is unfortunate that this thread has been hijacked by those who only wish to read one statement the OP made. I believe he raised some valid points and whilst I don't necessarily agree with all of them I believe they were at least worthy of considered debate. As the thread developed it seemed that the OP was not suggesting "banning" WP's from the F Lounge, but was keener to have a separate lounge for F, CL and WP1 pax. His points about double SC's were always going to be controversial on a forum where many members crave such offers, but nevertheless the issue is one that does have an impact on the high level flyers.

Hey ho, I guess the high level frequent flyers are better off keeping their concerns to themselves.

*Beats hasty retreat to the Priority Pass Lounge waving white flag*

 

[simongr]

Was a little disappointed the only time I was able to take the family to the F SYD lounge that we couldn't get a restaurant seat. As a 'scumbag' WP I'd enjoyed it a couple of times before but this was my last chance before going back to SG. I asked at the counter about getting a meal and they said I could be served in the comfy chairs and gave me a menu. When I tried ordering from that menu I was abruptly told that I couldn't order from THAT menu when sitting in these seats!

This was the first day of the last school hols so no wonder it was full.

I think this thread is worthy of the First World Problems website though!

Strange - my one experience if ordering from the comfy chairs was access to the whole menu and then transferred to a table when one became available.

 

[11sjw]

I would rename the current First Lounges to Platinum Lounges and create a "true" First Class Lounge for First Class Passengers and I would make it roughly the size of the First Lounge in BNE . I would also include Chairmans Lounge and Platinum One in this new lounge.

Agree re CL's but not WP1s.

CL's have a separate lounge domestically so why not continue that and allow them access to this new 1st Lounge. WP1s don't so they get "stuck" with the Platinum Lounge.