ALL QF's 330's to get lay flat Business seating - Including Domestic

[hutch]

Thanks Moa!

As 2 planes have been out of service most of the time, once QF finishes this process, will they have some spare A330 capacity which can be deployed?

 

[moa999]

As 2 planes have been out of service most of the time, once QF finishes this process, will they have some spare A330 capacity which can be deployed?

After the 333s are done (mid-May) am expecting the 332s to be done 2/time which would take us through to end-Aug and you also have three 333s that need a repaint so you are probably at mid-Oct at earliest before all is complete.

I suspect this then creates some additional capacity, but for what routes is unknown.

Left field alternative is that they use the capacity to retire the two unrefurbes 747s, but I don't think any of the 330s have the legs for the correct routes, so think this will wait for the first 789s

 

[esseeeayeenn]

After the 333s are done (mid-May) am expecting the 332s to be done 2/time which would take us through to end-Aug and you also have three 333s that need a repaint so you are probably at mid-Oct at earliest before all is complete.

I suspect this then creates some additional capacity, but for what routes is unknown.

Left field alternative is that they use the capacity to retire the two unrefurbes 747s, but I don't think any of the 330s have the legs for the correct routes, so think this will wait for the first 789s

Dare I hope PER<->SIN?

 

[moa999]

Dare I hope PER<->SIN?

Didn't seem to work in the middle of the mining boom, can't seem to see it working now

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Didn't seem to work in the middle of the mining boom, can't seem to see it working now

Not sure if it didn't work or if they had a better use for the aircraft elsewhere.
The current 737 service seems to be well patronised.

 

[Danger]

Latest update with the information from moa999 included.

 

[Christopher Campbell]

It will be great once all the A333s and M and N are refurbished. That way less a332s that are refurbished which don't have the seat back IFE will be used internationally.

 

[moa999]

Left field alternative is that they use the capacity to retire the two unrefurbes 747s, but I don't think any of the 330s have the legs for the correct routes, so think this will wait for the first 789s

Indeed confirmed at the results that the two unrefurbed 747s will receive a very minor refresh and toil on into 2017
Qantas to refresh two Boeing 747s - Australian Business Traveller

So the question now becomes - what will Qantas do with the additional A330 capacity come late 2016??

 

[Awesom Andy]

Indeed confirmed at the results that the two unrefurbed 747s will receive a very minor refresh and toil on into 2017

Given the current fuel price, they might as well.

 

[RickyT84]

So the question now becomes - what will Qantas do with the additional A330 capacity come late 2016??

They could use the additional capacity to increase Asia services. A good example is SYD-HKG (currently 11x per week) which can be increased to 2x daily and also MEL-SIN (10x per week from May).

Another possibility is to open up new routes such as MEL-NRT/HND, MEL-HNL.

 

[JessicaTam]

They could use the additional capacity to increase Asia services. A good example is SYD-HKG (currently 11x per week) which can be increased to 2x daily and also MEL-SIN (10x per week from May).

Another possibility is to open up new routes such as MEL-NRT/HND, MEL-HNL.

Today's press releases around the release of results did mention increasing PER-SIN capacity.

 

[mannej]

Today's press releases around the release of results did mention increasing PER-SIN capacity.

Going to 10x weekly using the old QF77/78 timings. Whilst I am not an expert in fleet utilization, the 04:15 arrival isn't that appealing IMO.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

Going to 10x weekly using the old QF77/78 timings. Whilst I am not an expert in fleet utilization, the 04:15 arrival isn't that appealing IMO.

Isn't that what most likely killed off the yields ex-PER in the first place? That and the ridiculously uncompetitive fares...

 

[ajw373]

Isn't that what most likely killed off the yields ex-PER in the first place? That and the ridiculously uncompetitive fares...

Think you will find the re-routing of Qantas Europe flights via DXB killed PER-SIN. Said it before, that the number of passengers using Singapore as a one and only destination is small. Don't have the figures but it was under 25%. The rest are in direct transit or using Singapore as a stopover to somewhere else. This in turn means Qantas is left flighting for the point to point traffic, with a small amount of transit owing to their limited onwards connections, especially compared to SQ.

 

[cove]

Cutting Singapore out of the run to London out of Perth was a big mistake. I think the only way to recover would be a 787 in a couple of years time that can fly direct.

 

[ajw373]

Cutting Singapore out of the run to London out of Perth was a big mistake. I think the only way to recover would be a 787 in a couple of years time that can fly direct.

As per the per the post above, seriously doubt the 787 will fly PER-LHR direct. The economics of such a long flight won't allow it to stack up. Via DXB if anywhere.

 

[cove]

Via Singapore would be my pick. Flying over Dubai would be just great. Going back to PER-SIN-LHR would be brilliant.

 

[mannej]

Via Singapore would be my pick. Flying over Dubai would be just great. Going back to PER-SIN-LHR would be brilliant.

But the greater choice of one-stop destinations going via DXB is an advantage over SIN right?

 

[Chrizztofa]

Think you will find the re-routing of Qantas Europe flights via DXB killed PER-SIN. Said it before, that the number of passengers using Singapore as a one and only destination is small. Don't have the figures but it was under 25%. The rest are in direct transit or using Singapore as a stopover to somewhere else. This in turn means Qantas is left flighting for the point to point traffic, with a small amount of transit owing to their limited onwards connections, especially compared to SQ.

A very rudimentary way - not including connections ex-SIN through oneworld or Jetstar - may be to compare the previous service capacity with the present one.

Qantas operated the following flights to/via SIN in NS 2007 (see https://infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/international/pdf/NS_2007_TT_Summary.pdf):

SYD-SIN-LHR (Daily 744) (2,617 seats)
SYD-SIN-FRA (Daily 744) (2,884 seats)
SYD-ADL-SIN (3x weekly 333) (891 seats)
MEL-SIN-LHR (Daily 744) (2,653 seats)
BNE-SIN (Daily 333) (2,079 seats)
PER-SIN (14x weekly 333) (4,158 seats) - appears to have been recorded as 1x daily in seat calculations
PER-DPS-SIN (2x weekly 73H) (336 seats)

Total capacity: 15,618 seats

Presently - including the new PER service - they appear to operate (the split 332/333 operation is confusing!):

SYD-SIN (8x weekly 332, 6x weekly 333) (3,950 seats) (62% of 2007 capacity)
MEL-SIN (2x weekly 332, 5x weekly 333) (2,027 seats) (76% of 2007 capacity)
BNE-SIN (4x weekly 332, 3x weekly 333) (1,975 seats) (95% of 2007 capacity)
PER-SIN (10x weekly 73H) (1,740 seats) (38% of 2007 capacity)

Total capacity: 7,953 seats (51% of 2007 capacity)

Including the cancellation it looks like Perth was disproportionately hit - this may be partly due to Jetstar operating the route which adds another 1,260 seats per week (daily A320).

However if the numbers continue to grow I wonder if that's where the "extra" 332 could go (a daily 332 provides 1,897 seats versus 1,740 seats on a 10x weekly 73H).

Via Singapore would be my pick. Flying over Dubai would be just great. Going back to PER-SIN-LHR would be brilliant.

The new QF77 service arriving in SIN at 21:25 connects well with BA12/BA16. BA11 connects to QF72 on the way back. I'm sure QF would rather put you on an EK plane though!

I wonder if the new QF77/78 will have the suite of codeshares the QF71/72 service has.

 

[Altair]

They could use the additional capacity to increase Asia services. A good example is SYD-HKG (currently 11x per week) which can be increased to 2x daily and also MEL-SIN (10x per week from May).

Another possibility is to open up new routes such as MEL-NRT/HND, MEL-HNL.

When they last increased HKG services AJ stated that QF could not get additional slots at HKG with good timings. A advantage that CX has with so many slots in HKG is that they could rearrange flights to add more services into Australia, except they have used up all their bilateral allocation into the major cities.