Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[jase05]

Utterly ridiculous, stupid and poorly informed. The three SA amigos are a discgrace.

Yep, not happy.
I’m guessing a few more cases in Melbourne about to be announced but shouldn’t be the need to panic

 

[Pushka]

Yep, not happy.
I’m guessing a few more cases in Melbourne about to be announced but shouldn’t be the need to panic

It isn't like it is yet rampant in the general community unless that's the info coming out later. Wonder if tennis will be impacted. They can't shut down the state while it's on.

In SA I did see mention of the Fringe starting in a week or so and that's why they are protecting. So does that mean Vic performers won't be allowed to perform or will they be given the magic pass, for no apparent reason.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yep, not happy.
I’m guessing a few more cases in Melbourne about to be announced but shouldn’t be the need to panic

They've already announced +2 cases but they have third ring rapid responses and people in isolation plus huge testing and contact tracing - so let it do its work..... we can't keep shutting borders like this its out of control low brow public servants and pollies trying to make a name for themselves. Crazy.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Utterly ridiculous, stupid and poorly informed. The three SA amigos are a discgrace.

Not fair to slam SA for doing what pretty much everyone else has been / is / will be doing.

We have some people expressing trust in X or Y state, but it’s pretty clear most of our States and Territories have little trust putting up State borders / domestic quarantine which are effectively 4th / 5th / 6th ring.....kinds of reminds me of an old parlour game - six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

 

[Carrots]

Utterly ridiculous, stupid and poorly informed. The three SA amigos are a discgrace.

One of those three stooges amigos, has fast been losing the credits they had built over the last 12 month - it had been mostly behind closed doors in recent months, but it also seems to be diminishing in public as well.

 

[Pushka]

So there are now 8 cases with the Holiday Inn?

 

[oz_mark]

Not fair to slam SA for doing what pretty much everyone else has been / is / will be doing.

We have some people expressing trust in X or Y state, but it’s pretty clear most of our States and Territories have little trust putting up State borders / domestic quarantine which are effectively 4th / 5th / 6th ring.....kinds of reminds me of an old parlour game - six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

Well, WA hasn't yet opened its border to VIC, but the other states may not be far behind SA

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

So there are now 8 cases with the Holiday Inn?

Yes 8.

Two more people from Holiday Inn Melbourne Airport test positive in Victoria​

This from the Victorian Department of Health:

"Two further individuals linked to the Holiday Inn Melbourne Airport have tested positive to coronavirus (#COVID19) today: a worker, and a previous resident who exited the facility on February 7. The number of cases linked to the Holiday Inn outbreak is now 8."

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Suggestions for the next end-to-end review and the next/additional steps might be

- Full high grade PPE
- Daily testing, even off shift, until 21 days since last shift
- 21 days quarantine
...

 

[Must...Fly!]

Suggestions for the next end-to-end review and the next/additional steps might be

- Full high grade PPE
- Daily testing, even off shift, until 21 days since last shift
- 21 days quarantine
...

21 days makes little sense when these people are catching covid in precisely the place that should be protecting them from it

It would just increase the chances of them catching it on current form

 

[Flying mermaid]

Suggestions for the next end-to-end review and the next/additional steps might be

- Full high grade PPE
- Daily testing, even off shift, until 21 days since last shift
- 21 days quarantine
...

Why 21 days? There is no evidence people are coming in infected and developing symptoms late (even the day 16 stuff seems a furphy). They are getting it in the hotels. If they can get become infected at the hotel on day 12 they can be infected on day 19......

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Why 21 days? There is no evidence people are coming in infected and developing symptoms late (even the day 16 stuff seems a furphy). They are getting it in the hotels. If they can get become infected at the hotel on day 12 they can be infected on day 19......

21 days makes little sense when these people are catching covid in precisely the place that should be protecting them from it

It would just increase the chances of them catching it on current form

Well there is NSW (allegedly) and NZ experiencing post 14 days cases.

And if the nebuliser theory takes hold, then it’s not a case that they got infected because they were in quarantine, more that the nebuliser caused the situation.

 

[Flying mermaid]

Well there is NSW (allegedly) and NZ experiencing post 14 days cases.

And if the nebuliser theory takes hold, then it’s not a case that they got infected because they were in quarantine, more that the nebuliser caused the situation.

Have my doubts ......not so much about the nebuliser, but about the day 16 stuff. Sounds like people in denial that HQ can have issues

 

[Must...Fly!]

There is no doubt that onset of symptoms can take longer than 14 days. Is it worth a 50% across the board reduction in intake numbers that a move to 21 days would necessitate? I can't see why. The current system has been phenomenally successful in almost every jurisdiction

 

[jakeseven7]

Have my doubts ......not so much about the nebuliser, but about the day 16 stuff. Sounds like people in denial that HQ can have issues

Yea somehow I don't think the CHO is lying about the nebuliser.... agree.

Something clearly kicked off a few infections in that hotel though and seems like they feel that device could be the cause....

 

[bcworld]

Quite possible yes which is actually quite good news that it was something quite obtuse and left field not something systematically wrong.

I'm generally supportive of what Vic gov is doing with the hotels...and I don't blame any state where infection occurs in a hotel...I think it's inevitable (for staff more so). BUT, I would say if part of being inducted into HQ is not a check of existing medical conditions and checking on the use of equipment like nebulisers and CPAP machines then I WOULD describe that as a systematic failure. It shouldn't be 'left field' when the program has responsibility for COVID infection control and expert medical oversight.

Edit to add: I'm making as assumption that the equipment was property of the guest. Given that they are obviously quite ill, perhaps it was supplied on site...I think that would be even worse.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

There is no doubt that onset of symptoms can take longer than 14 days. Is it worth a 50% across the board reduction in intake numbers that a move to 21 days would necessitate? I can't see why. The current system has been phenomenally successful in almost every jurisdiction

Well AHPPC apparently didn't think daily testing off shift was worth it either. Sometimes the winds have to be read internationally, not just in our neck of the woods.

As many are aware, NZ had around 4 cases of post 14 days. HK went to 21 days quarantine. I'm not sure AHPPC would want to count in anything other than multiple of 7, but you never know they could just extend by 3 days. And also noteworthy because of the nebuliser situation there is now a 28 day quarantine. And for some in Australian Open Tennis quarantine was extended by a few days.

Anyway they are just suggestions - nothing I'm particularly prescribing. Just some that may be under consideration.

With the nebuliser, I gravely doubt full high grade PPE would have stopped that

 

[Flying mermaid]

Yea somehow I don't think the CHO is lying about the nebuliser.... agree.

Something clearly kicked off a few infections in that hotel though and seems like they feel that device could be the cause....

Oh totally agree it sounds like the nebuliser kicked off lots of cases. It’s still a situation where the HQ caused the extra cases though. No doubt they will be being very strict on querying whether people have nebulisers in future.

Although Dr FM was pretty dubious about swabbing in corridors as well, although there really isn’t an easy alternate. She felt that swabbing caused aerosols and was a potential source of infection in HQ.

EDIT - I guess my point about the 21 day quarantine, is that if new passengers come in on day19, use a nebuliser (or similar event) and existing people get infected on day 19 even 21 days isn’t enough. We have always known there would be very rare outliers that went longer than 14 days, but is the solution to locks down thousands of people for 21 days, r manage the rare outliers when they happen. Of course if stats showed they weren’t rare but significant that would be different.

of course it would help if all the nutty premiers would stop declaring hotspots over 1 case

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Oh totally agree it sounds like the nebuliser kicked off lots of cases. It’s still a situation where the HQ caused the extra cases though. No doubt they will be being very strict on querying whether people have nebulisers in future.

Although Dr FM was pretty dubious about swabbing in corridors as well, although there really isn’t an easy alternate. She felt that swabbing caused aerosols and was a potential source of infection in HQ.

Well we can agree to have our respectful difference of opinion. I can't see HQ being the cause where/if the nebuliser is proven as the main contributing factor. Yes, I can see a possible point if they weren't checking for nebulisers, but I guess its not the first time a nebuliser has been permitted with no consequences and perhaps other States might have been allowing the same thing??? To my mind, its just being in the wrong place at the wrong time - no different to being at the wrong venue at the wrong time and being infected.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Yes 8.

Two more people from Holiday Inn Melbourne Airport test positive in Victoria​

This from the Victorian Department of Health:

"Two further individuals linked to the Holiday Inn Melbourne Airport have tested positive to coronavirus (#COVID19) today: a worker, and a previous resident who exited the facility on February 7. The number of cases linked to the Holiday Inn outbreak is now 8."

Busy today so not actively watching the news.

So what is the breakdown of the 8?

• 3 from initial family with nebuliser & ICU
• 3 previously mentioned cases
• 2 new ones

And so that 3 in HQ (family), 2 that exited HQ but tested positive after and is that 3 HQ workers

And several thousand most likely in isolation. Though some may have been released after testing by now.