General Discussion/Q&A on Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[lovetravellingoz]

Well along with that comes influence then, doesn't it.

It should. However early on:

• China sat on information warning about CV 19 too long.
• The USA radically down played the threat that CV19 was/is.

Neither of the "superpowers" have been at all super in their early response to CV19.

PS: And yes the WHO should have declared it a pandemic earlier. But the poor need its health programs.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Interesting article from Choice here about TP and supply chain management. Eyes raised at the concept of overworked domestic dunnies!

Why it's still hard to find toilet paper at the supermarket

Psychologists say that the scale and speed with which new rules are changing, along with fear of the virus at the root of all these changes, has created a great deal of uncertainty. This can push people to seek control – and some are doing this through stockpiling...

Amid the panic buying and the lagging supply chain response, there's also been a genuine need for more household products. People have been staying home – and therefore eating all of their meals and taking all of their toilet breaks at home – for weeks. It makes sense that they've been buying more groceries and toilet paper.

Down my local woolies again and one vast empty aisle where the TP belongs. Along with the usual shortages of pasta and flour. Must be an awful lot of people baking stuff... and eating pasta - is that all people can cook?

Cheers skip

 

[Pushka]

Interesting article from Choice here about TP and supply chain management. Eyes raised at the concept of overworked domestic dunnies!

Why it's still hard to find toilet paper at the supermarket



Down my local woolies again and one vast empty aisle where the TP belongs. Along with the usual shortages of pasta and flour. Must be an awful lot of people baking stuff... and eating pasta - is that all people can cook?

Cheers skip

I think it is a Woolies thing. Stack of TP in Costco.

 

[drron]

Plenty now in both Woolies and Coles in Launceston now.Coles even had a full selection of pasta

 

[JohnM]

The places where I shop for groceries have very much settled down.

The TP thing is interesting.

Just consider, most households these days have two workers and maybe a couple of kids out of the house during the day when, ahem, evolution has decreed that toilet-stops are much more common than at night. Suddenly, with home isolation, we have those people having to excrete principally at home rather than at work or school.

And so suddenly, they have to buy TP, rather than their employer or Department of Education providing perhaps the majority of their daily needs - especially for females, I might suggest.

So, at least part of the rush and certainly continued higher demand at supermarkets, is no surprise.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I think it is a Woolies thing. Stack of TP in Costco.

Well my Woolies has been overflowing in the aisles for a while now.

 

[Pushka]

Well my Woolies has been overflowing in the aisles for a while now.

I haven't seen that in weeks now! How about hand sanitisers and cleaning wipes?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I haven't seen that in weeks now! How about hand sanitisers and cleaning wipes?

I have not been looking. We do not use disposable cleaning wipes generally, though I did buy several packs just in case and mainly for use when out (have not yet used). We had about 2 litres of hand sanitiser in the household before CV19 took hold and have rarely used it. We prefer in the main to use the more effective soap and water.

For cleaning my wife also prefers to use soap. If a sanitising clean it is with paper towel, or large roll of Chux like material that we bought from Bunnings. Both are thrown out after each clean.

Other cleaning is done with microfibre cloths with soap and then washed. Bathrooms and toilets have dedicated cleaners and chlorine based disinfectants (we had prior, but I have also bought during the last few weeks).

 

[PineappleSkip]

No sanny, no wipes here. Local chemist said “keep trying”; they are getting sanny supplies constantly, and they disappear just as fast. Finally got one small bottle in a Caboolture chemist where they were behind the counter and limiting to one bottle per family.

High bogan ratio in our district. Would like to see a study about whether there is a correlation between bogan and TP hoarder.

 

[Pushka]

I have not been looking. We do not use disposable cleaning wipes generally, though I did buy several packs just in case and mainly for use when out (have not yet used). We had about 2 litres of hand sanitiser in the household before CV19 took hold and have rarely used it. We prefer in the main to use the more effective soap and water.

For cleaning my wife also prefers to use soap. If a sanitising clean it is with paper towel, or large roll of Chux like material that we bought from Bunnings. Both are thrown out after each clean.

Other cleaning is done with microfibre cloths with soap and then washed. Bathrooms and toilets have dedicated cleaners and chlorine based disinfectants (we had prior, but I have also bought during the last few weeks).

I use lots of hand sanitisers if having to make a foray into the shop or post office etc. Before I enter, sometimes during, certainly after checkout, when opening the boot I put some on my hands and wipe where Ive touched the opener, then with the stuff on my hands I wipe over the car keys and then run hands over the steering wheel. I sourced some of the Bickfords stuff and being watery I decanted it to those small spray containers in the Qatar amenity kits and which work a treat.

Masks being worn everywhere in Costco and they were selling them in Bulk. One family had husband and wife dutifully masked and the three kids with them - nothing. Husband kept taking his on and off, pulling it down under his nose, fiddling with it - yeah, that's going to be effective.

 

[Warks]

I got an email from Virgin saying how it's reintroducing a whole lot of flights. 64 return services per week no less. My question is with the travel ban between states and mandatory quarantine between certain states how is anyone flying? I need to go from SYD to TSV next month but clearly I can't. So what are these flights for? People who can spend two weeks in quarantine at both ends of their journey?

 

[Pushka]

I got an email from Virgin saying how it's reintroducing a whole lot of flights. 64 return services per week no less. My question is with the travel ban between states and mandatory quarantine between certain states how is anyone flying? I need to go from SYD to TSV next month but clearly I can't. So what are these flights for? People who can spend two weeks in quarantine at both ends of their journey?

Just listening to this on the radio. In arrival in SA people will need to sign paperwork on arrival and self isolate.

 

[burmans]

Just listening to this on the radio. In arrival in SA people will need to sign paperwork on arrival and self isolate.

For now, though I would suggest we are only weeks away from some easing of this now numbers are down.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

In Europe Greece has been one of the most effective nations at keeping CV 19 in check.

 

[Flashback]

Another 3 weeks of lockdown approved for the UK last night, I suspect it'll end up being another 6 weeks in total minimum.

 

[Bundy Bear]

If Children are less effected by coronavirus can’t we just send them all to a school camp.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

If Children are less effected by coronavirus can’t we just send them all to a school camp.

As in Lord of the Flies?

 

[drron]

Research into Covid antibodies ramping up.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

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Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

www.coronavirustoday.com

And the virus can be in aerosol form.

Welcome to Precision Vaccinations News

Precision Vaccinations News publishes vaccine news patients can trust to make informed immunization decisions in partnership with doctors, nurses, and pharmacists.

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[tgh]

This is interesting :

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara County. Methods On 4/3-4/4, 2020, we tested county residents for antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 using a lateral flow immunoassay……. continues see link


Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections

COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Background Addressing COVID-19 is a pressing health and social concern. To date, many epidemic projections and policies addressing COVID-19 have been designed without seroprevalence data to inform epidemic parameters. We measured the seroprevalence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in Santa Clara...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[Pushka]

Are parts of USA heading into Anarchy? And I'm betting Biden is safely entrenched in the middle of nowhere. While not a great fan of either, this is probably the time when someone like Trump in charge was the last thing the world needed.

If antibodies are more widespread than infection rates suggests then surely this suggests that herd immunity may be happening with or without our input.